Well, after months of looking around and comparing I am going to ckeck out a car tomorrow. The $4000 Cash back finally pushed me. I am doing 100% financing through my credit union, and the dealer says he can write me a check for that 4 grand. That will pay off all my credit cards. Decided on a SXT. Was really wanting an R/T, but I just cant justify the 5 grand price jump for 70hp. I dont race, and drive almost all hwy at 70-75 so the increase in mileage will help out. Found a torred SXT with the sinister sport group. Think I will make an offer, But not sure how low they will go, with them trying to get rid of them. MSRP is $29,485. Soopinions on where I should start without getting laughed out of the showroom? Is $23.5k ok to start? Also, the manufacturers rebates are seperate from the car negotiations if I am correct. Thanks for any advice.