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I've been reading up on fuel differences between 93 octane non-ethanol gasoline vs. 93 octane E10. The owner's manual says to use a top tier 93 octane fuel. We have 93 octane in North Carolina, but some stations have 93 or 89 non-ethanol, but they are a non-top tier fuel carrier. Apparently, a top tier fuel has more detergents than a non-top tier fuel. The detergents are designed to reduce the build up on the valves, for example. I wonder if there are detergents that can be added to a non- top tier fuel or is there an additive to use to significantly reduce the effects of alcohol on the engine and fuel components? Or perhaps...there's really no serious effects of E10 on our engines? This seems to be a highly debated issue. What are your thoughts?
 

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I use a fuel additive called AcesIV... It gives you're fuel a octane boost effect and provides upper cylinder lubricantion... I am able to run a 91 octane tune with 89 octane with no knock and it doesn't turn my plugs orange like most octane boosters do... Really good stuff I think.
 

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I've been reading up on fuel differences between 93 octane non-ethanol gasoline vs. 93 octane E10. The owner's manual says to use a top tier 93 octane fuel. We have 93 octane in North Carolina, but some stations have 93 or 89 non-ethanol, but they are a non-top tier fuel carrier. Apparently, a top tier fuel has more detergents than a non-top tier fuel. The detergents are designed to reduce the build up on the valves, for example. I wonder if there are detergents that can be added to a non- top tier fuel or is there an additive to use to significantly reduce the effects of alcohol on the engine and fuel components? Or perhaps...there's really no serious effects of E10 on our engines? This seems to be a highly debated issue. What are your thoughts?
The manual actually says 91 or higher for the 392. I've used Aces iv in my 5.7l Charger but haven't tried in in my Scat Pack yet. It allowed me to run a higher octane tune as well and as a side effect increased mpg.
 

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I use a fuel additive called AcesIV... It gives you're fuel a octane boost effect and provides upper cylinder lubricantion... I am able to run a 91 octane tune with 89 octane with no knock and it doesn't turn my plugs orange like most octane boosters do... Really good stuff I think.
I’ve found quite a bit of information, including a list of additives. Many of them have methanol, which is simply adding more alcohol to a fuel that already has alcohol. It also gave a list of those that did not contain alcohol. Sta-Bil was one of the few without alcohol.
 

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The manual actually says 91 or higher for the 392. I've used Aces iv in my 5.7l Charger but haven't tried in in my Scat Pack yet. It allowed me to run a higher octane tune as well and as a side effect increased mpg.
Indeed it does (thank you for that correction - senior moment). We don’t typically have 91 octane in the geographic area where I live. We have 87, 89, and 93. The 93 vs 91 is not the issue, but whether a 93 non-ethanol, non-top tier gasoline will provide any benefits vs a 93 E10 in a top tier gasoline. The difference is the 10% ethanol and the amount of detergents in the top tier fuel. The OM also recommends a top tier fuel and I don’t know of any that’s not E10. I remember when Amoco sold 98 octane gasoline, and of course, back then it was leaded. That stuff was as clear as bottled water. I had another car where I ran a 50/50 mixture of propeller engine airplane fuel and 87 unleaded. When mixed, it looked like swimming pool water blue.
 

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Out here we don't have 93. Only 91, but most stations carry it now without ethanol. I have never put ethanol in my car. In the last year or so some of these stations now have what they call clear 91 octane fuel. The knob at the station is blue as compared to yellow for the other fuel selections. Not sure if that means it is a top tier fuel or not.
 
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Only non-ethanol gas I can find in So Cal is 100 Octane racing fuel. Not sure - would it hurt to use this high of an octane? What benefit would it bring?
You would only benefit from it if your tuned for it otherwise it won't do any good...
 
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Only non-ethanol gas I can find in So Cal is 100 Octane racing fuel. Not sure - senwould it hurt to use this high of an octane? What benefit would it bring?
It will keep you knock sensors at bay. We have 105 available in KY. Been thinking of taking a 5 gallon tank with me next time I go. Love the smell of this stuff
 

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I've been reading up on fuel differences between 93 octane non-ethanol gasoline vs. 93 octane E10. The owner's manual says to use a top tier 93 octane fuel. We have 93 octane in North Carolina, but some stations have 93 or 89 non-ethanol, but they are a non-top tier fuel carrier. Apparently, a top tier fuel has more detergents than a non-top tier fuel. The detergents are designed to reduce the build up on the valves, for example. I wonder if there are detergents that can be added to a non- top tier fuel or is there an additive to use to significantly reduce the effects of alcohol on the engine and fuel components? Or perhaps...there's really no serious effects of E10 on our engines? This seems to be a highly debated issue. What are your thoughts?
You can add "detergents" to gasoline. One way -- probably the "best" way -- is to add Techron. But the off the shelf stuff is concentrated and while it works well is really intended to be a once in a while -- great while -- treatment. For instance a tank or two *before* a scheduled oil change.

Techron is not something I'd use every tank unless you can buy Chevron gasoline which is of course treated with Techron. With a previous car I found a switch from Shell V-Power to Chevron Supreme had the engine running noticeably better in less than a tank of Chevron gasoline. Rather surprised me as Shell V-Power is a pretty good gasoline.

Really though the best course is to just fill up with a top tier fuel from a busy station. Use the appropriate grade of octane. 93 is good if you can get it. 91 works.

If you can find 93 ethanol free and the price difference is not too bad compared to 93 with ethanol run ethanol free gasoline. The ethanol is not that big of a deal to the engine or fuel system components -- ran gasoline with "10%" ethanol in a number of cars over the years some cars obtaining 160K to over 315K miles with no harm to the engine or fuel system components -- but ethanol free gasoline contains a bit more chemical energy and engine performance (gas mileage) will be better. Whether it is better enough to offset the price difference you'll have to determine by some disciplined fuel economy testing.

If you track your car try to arrange to fill up the tank -- how full you have to decide -- with lead free race gasoline.

Race gasoline has an elevated octane rating which is overkill and the engine will not be able to take advantage of it but it does buy some extra margin as it is unlikely the engine controller will ever have to dial back timing due to detonation.

But racing gasoline offers more than just elevated octane number. It is designed/blended to burn well (really well) at higher engine speeds. So try to have as little street gasoline in the gas tank as is practical and put as much racing gasoline in the gas tank -- to have a "pure" racing gasoline as possible -- for when you visit the track.
 

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I run a 50/50 mix of BP 93 pump gas and Fuse 110 unleaded race gas along with my 100 octane tune. It comes out to about 102 octane and I get no knock like that and the car runs like a raped ape.

Race fuels won't do anything for you unless you're already getting some knock. If you're on the stock tune and getting knock, a little race fuel will help. If you're on the stock tune with no knock, it will do nothing but make your wallet lighter.

If you are tuned for a certain fuel, then running less than that is bad news.

I don't think typical E10 pump gas is going to harm anything on a new car, they're all designed to run on that stuff, I think up to E15 actually. I run E10 pump gas in my old Nova too with a carburetor and I've never had any problems.

You also have to pay attention to the oxygen content of different fuels. Pump gas is about 3.7%. Some race fuels are 0%. Others are nearly 10%. This will cause the car to run richer or leaner at WOT. On the stock tune it doesn't matter too much as it's set pretty rich already.
 

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I believe Sunoco 260 was 104 octane. I used to buy Cam2 racing gas for my 1971 Mustang. It was 110
or so. Mixed 1/2 and 1/2 with Amoco 93.
I remember those days with Amoco 93!
 

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I remember when you could get Sunoco 260 high octane. It was basically low grade aviation gas, and I believe it was over 100 octane like 120 or 130 :):cool::D boy am I old :(
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Out here we don't have 93. Only 91, but most stations carry it now without ethanol. I have never put ethanol in my car. In the last year or so some of these stations now have what they call clear 91 octane fuel. The knob at the station is blue as compared to yellow for the other fuel selections. Not sure if that means it is a top tier fuel or not.
I’ve wondered about that here with the non-ethanol 93. They say the top tier ethanol fuels keep the valves cleaner. Any issues with yours?
 

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All I ever used was Sunoco 260 back in the day, you could advance the wee out of timing.
 

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I’ve wondered about that here with the non-ethanol 93. They say the top tier ethanol fuels keep the valves cleaner. Any issues with yours?
As far as I know, everything is fine!
 

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I’ve wondered about that here with the non-ethanol 93. They say the top tier ethanol fuels keep the valves cleaner. Any issues with yours?
Keeping the valves (and other surfaces exposed to the combustion gases) clean is not from the presence of ethanol but from the detergents that are blended into the top tier fuels.

The best "detergent" is Techron. As I touched upon above if you can every once in a while run a tank or two of Chevron fuel with Techron can make a noticeable positive difference in how the engine runs.

If you are unable to get Chevron gasoline where you live/drive then consider using a bottle (or two) of Techron (as per direction on the bottle label) every once on a while. My recommendation would be a gas tank or two before a scheduled oil/filter service.
 
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