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Well, i'm not a fan of firearms even though i work with all kinds of ammo and explosives. I think it is just gonna bring more shootout / free murder over a simple altercation. I think you guys have seen enough mass killing in the last few years, i hope you won't see many more.
I'm a big fan of guns, but alcohol and guns shouldn't mix. But since troublemakers already bring guns in bars even IF the law doesn't allow it, law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry for protection just in case.
If more law abiding citizens carried, you wouldn't see mass shootings like that.
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Fastmike...A couple of points to disagree. First, a vast majority of mass shootings occur in "gun free" zones, areas where concealed or open carry of guns is forbidden (this makes sense when it is pondered..) Secondly, when "must issue" conceal carry permits were being considered by many states a few years ago, there were arguments that the streets of the cities would become the Wild West, paved in the blood and guts of victims of shootouts. Not only has that scenario not happened, but gun crime has actually gone down. The only places that it has not gone down is in cities like Chicago, where their legislature has made it nearly impossible to own guns. As was put so eloquently many years ago, "An armed society is a polite society".
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WI passed the CC bill a few years ago to the dismay of the firearms opposition who insisted there would be an increase in firearm related injury and homicide. Same thing as Adam posted, the opposition claimed the streets would revert back to the wild west with shootouts on every corner. That has not been the case. There have been several instances in the local news where people with a CC permit were in the right place at the right time (one was a Vet recently back from Iraq) and prevented armed criminals from possibly injuring their victims.
The WI law allows business owners to decide if firearms are or are not allowed on their property - all they have to do is post a sign. Guns are not allowed in schools.
I agree that drunks and guns don't mix well. The WI law states that you cannot have any alcohol in your system if you decide to carry. So if you decide to go to the bar and plan to have a drink you better unload the weapon, case it and lock it in your vehicle for legal transport.
As long as criminals don't care about any laws, the law abiding people should be able to arm themselves as well. If a law is passed allowing that - perfect.
The WI law allows business owners to decide if firearms are or are not allowed on their property - all they have to do is post a sign. Guns are not allowed in schools.
I agree that drunks and guns don't mix well. The WI law states that you cannot have any alcohol in your system if you decide to carry. So if you decide to go to the bar and plan to have a drink you better unload the weapon, case it and lock it in your vehicle for legal transport.
As long as criminals don't care about any laws, the law abiding people should be able to arm themselves as well. If a law is passed allowing that - perfect.
Adam and Jon have said about everything that needs to be said! Totally agree with them on this one. BTW, I especially enjoyed the California state senator getting caught in a gun traffic scheme! He was so anti-gun!! What a total loser, just another corrupt politician!
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My guns have never shot anyone. Good or bad.
Great comments here and I believe everyone who has served in our Military
will agree that a "gun" has never killed anyone. I left mine out on the mantle
for several years, loaded and ready to fire and it never shot at me or anyone
in my home, even at the couple of worrysome cats we have.
It is when it is in the hands of human it becomes a tool of death and mayhem
or a tool of life and protection. If one were to actually study the facts on gun
deaths and gun violence, one will notice something called a "trend".
The trend is that guns are a powerful tool of intimidation and violence in the
hands of a person of evil intent, poor character or what we call a felon with
a long rap sheet for violence. It is the weapon of choice for gangs.
So, ban guns and the gun "problem" goes away?
No, it cannot because those that are criminals do not obey the law and
hence they are called "criminals".
Look at Chicago, it has the absolute strictest guns laws on the books in
the entire country, and yet the death rate from gun violence is among
the highest in the nation, especially gang related and black on black crime.
If history is any lesson here, and it seems that many in the media lack a
clear understanding of human history, one would see that just because you
pass "laws" that a particular problem goes away. Not true as all with common
sense know. Drugs are illegal and yet we have a horrendous drug problem
in our modern society and many many deaths are directly attributed to gun
violence stemmed from illegal drug activities.
So much for strict "laws" as any particular "deterrent" to illegal activities.
My man Adam is spot on when he states that "Gun Free" zones do not stop
gun violence, in fact they actually encourage this activity at the criminal is
free to wield his "power" as he knows that know one in the vicinity or at that
location will have a gun, as it is "illegal". They use this to their advantage.
Look back at the mass killings of Columbine, UVA, Newtown and ask what is
the "root" of the evil, not the inanimate although powerful, gun.
Why Newtown? Why Columbine? Why UVA? Do You Really want to know?
Many here on the "Z" have no interest of any kind about guns and I have no
issue with that, as it is a personal decision. Many here on the "Z" know that
any weapon is simply a tool and it is specialized in its purpose and usage.
For those in Georgia that study the law, yes is expands the rights of those
who are "permitted" to carry a firearm and for those who have a CCW permit
know that it has a high degree of responsibility for those who have gone
through the process to obtain one. It is not free, you must be a complete
lawbiding citizen who passes both a State and Federal background check
and must demonstrate to state licensed instructor that you both know
the specific State laws on where you can and cannot carry, show a proficiency
on the firing range -that you can actually shoot and operate the weapon
in a safe manner and at the discretion of the state are issued a permit
to carry a concealed weapon. Total fees can exceed $250.00.
I have been licensed to carry for 15+ years and have never had an incident
where I had to use my weapon, but this is fine with me, as it is better to
carry a weapon and NEVER need it than to NOT carry a weapon and need
it for protection of yourself or a family member.
I think it is great if a "teacher" wants to have the ability to have a weapon
on school grounds. Obviously there are specific procedures on doing this
and requires a good sense of awareness on exactly how to do this.
As to going to bars and drinking, all who have CCW permits know that you
must leave the weapon in your vehicle, locked and out of easy access if
you intend to drink *ANY* alcohol whatsoever. Here in N.C. you cannot
even drink one beer. There is zero tolerance and that is fine with me.
I am sure it is the same with permitting in GA. But, the newsmedia, and
especially those on MSNBC are biased and do misled their viewers often, as
with most all contentious topics they report.
To close this message, our Founding Fathers knew exactly what a weapon
was for and how to use it, and our Bill of Rights shows us what that is.
In any context of violence with a gun, the criminal use of such a weapon
should in my opinion automatically without plea-bargain double the active
prison sentence of any convicted criminal period, no if's, and's or but's.
If it means building more prisons to house these perp's, so be it.
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Great comments here and I believe everyone who has served in our Military
will agree that a "gun" has never killed anyone. I left mine out on the mantle
for several years, loaded and ready to fire and it never shot at me or anyone
in my home, even at the couple of worrysome cats we have.
It is when it is in the hands of human it becomes a tool of death and mayhem
or a tool of life and protection. If one were to actually study the facts on gun
deaths and gun violence, one will notice something called a "trend".
The trend is that guns are a powerful tool of intimidation and violence in the
hands of a person of evil intent, poor character or what we call a felon with
a long rap sheet for violence. It is the weapon of choice for gangs.
So, ban guns and the gun "problem" goes away?
No, it cannot because those that are criminals do not obey the law and
hence they are called "criminals".
Look at Chicago, it has the absolute strictest guns laws on the books in
the entire country, and yet the death rate from gun violence is among
the highest in the nation, especially gang related and black on black crime.
If history is any lesson here, and it seems that many in the media lack a
clear understanding of human history, one would see that just because you
pass "laws" that a particular problem goes away. Not true as all with common
sense know. Drugs are illegal and yet we have a horrendous drug problem
in our modern society and many many deaths are directly attributed to gun
violence stemmed from illegal drug activities.
So much for strict "laws" as any particular "deterrent" to illegal activities.
My man Adam is spot on when he states that "Gun Free" zones do not stop
gun violence, in fact they actually encourage this activity at the criminal is
free to wield his "power" as he knows that know one in the vicinity or at that
location will have a gun, as it is "illegal". They use this to their advantage.
Look back at the mass killings of Columbine, UVA, Newtown and ask what is
the "root" of the evil, not the inanimate although powerful, gun.
Why Newtown? Why Columbine? Why UVA? Do You Really want to know?
Many here on the "Z" have no interest of any kind about guns and I have no
issue with that, as it is a personal decision. Many here on the "Z" know that
any weapon is simply a tool and it is specialized in its purpose and usage.
For those in Georgia that study the law, yes is expands the rights of those
who are "permitted" to carry a firearm and for those who have a CCW permit
know that it has a high degree of responsibility for those who have gone
through the process to obtain one. It is not free, you must be a complete
lawbiding citizen who passes both a State and Federal background check
and must demonstrate to state licensed instructor that you both know
the specific State laws on where you can and cannot carry, show a proficiency
on the firing range -that you can actually shoot and operate the weapon
in a safe manner and at the discretion of the state are issued a permit
to carry a concealed weapon. Total fees can exceed $250.00.
I have been licensed to carry for 15+ years and have never had an incident
where I had to use my weapon, but this is fine with me, as it is better to
carry a weapon and NEVER need it than to NOT carry a weapon and need
it for protection of yourself or a family member.
I think it is great if a "teacher" wants to have the ability to have a weapon
on school grounds. Obviously there are specific procedures on doing this
and requires a good sense of awareness on exactly how to do this.
As to going to bars and drinking, all who have CCW permits know that you
must leave the weapon in your vehicle, locked and out of easy access if
you intend to drink *ANY* alcohol whatsoever. Here in N.C. you cannot
even drink one beer. There is zero tolerance and that is fine with me.
I am sure it is the same with permitting in GA. But, the newsmedia, and
especially those on MSNBC are biased and do misled their viewers often, as
with most all contentious topics they report.
To close this message, our Founding Fathers knew exactly what a weapon
was for and how to use it, and our Bill of Rights shows us what that is.
In any context of violence with a gun, the criminal use of such a weapon
should in my opinion automatically without plea-bargain double the active
prison sentence of any convicted criminal period, no if's, and's or but's.
If it means building more prisons to house these perp's, so be it.
:smileup:
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BTW...
I want to make sure that my posting of this Family Guy YouTube is not misinterpreted. I am not anti-gun. I watched this Family Guy episode the other night and remembered this scene when I first saw this thread and posted it for the humor content. If you watch the next scene, Brian (the dog) actually starts to enjoy shooting the pistol.
Having said that, while I support 2nd amendment rights, I choose to not maintain a firearm in my residence. While I jokingly tell people I would probably just end up shooting myself in the foot or worse, I really have just never felt the need, urgency, or desire to own an handgun, rifle, or shotgun. I was on my high school's JROTC rifle team (rated as a sharpshooter) but have not handled a firearm since.
Well, strike that. Many years ago after my (now) ex-wife moved in her things to my place just after our wedding, she had what I thought were two black powder replica guns. She bought them a few years earlier thinking they were antiques and had them only for display. One night, while playing/horsing around, I picked up one of the pistols (a derringer) and she dared me again to pull the trigger. I pointed the derringer at her and, at the last second, muscle memory from all those years on the JROTC rifle team kicked in and I pointed the barrel up and pulled the trigger. A boom sounded followed by the unmistakable odor or cordite! Wide-eyed, we looked at each other and then we looked up to see a perfectly round .44 caliber hole in the ceiling!
That is my literally "dodging a bullet" story. My wife had told me that the guns were replicas and they were sold to her as replicas. They were both actually functional black powder guns that had been left loaded and primed. Who does that? I really wanted to go after the people who sold her the guns just to rip them a new one, but my wife no longer remembered whom she had purchased them from. After we divorced a few years later, she left those guns with me and I stored them for years before I sold them on gunbroker.com
Wow, John you literally "dodged a bullet" there!! You are fortunate you previous training kicked in. One of the those guns rules: never point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. (Always assume its loaded!) My years of hunting taught me a great respect for loaded guns!
Betty, while I credit muscle memory for my last second action, I think it also could have been my "guardian angel" who literally deflected my shot - the movement felt like like someone grabbed my arm. But you are absolutely correct about not pointing a gun at another person, whether the gun is real, a replica, or a toy. You never point (or simulate pointing) a weapon at another person in jest. Children especially should learn that rule at an early age because until they reach the age of reason, kids have difficulty distinguishing between what is real and what is a toy.
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Basic Safety Rules must be continuously be re-inforced until they are second nature...
Thank Momma for chiming in here. Yes I would say HEMI is most fortunate
that his incident did not end in tragedy and heartbreak.
The stats on hand gun issues is interesting to study. This ruling just happened
a few days ago in CA.
Ninth Circuit Upholds San Francisco’s Safe Storage & Ammunition Laws
Posted on March 25, 2014
Today a three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously upheld the City of San Francisco’s ordinances requiring the safe storage of handguns and banning the sale of hollow-point ammunition. San Francisco’s safe storage law requires handguns to be either stored in a locked container or secured with a trigger lock when they are not carried by the owner of the handgun.
Deaths by accidental discharge is much higher than it ever should be. For
those interested in statistics, look at these links;
Gun Violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
Fact Sheet: Accidental Shootings
http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Accidental-Shootings-NYAGV.pdf
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%)
All gun owners should restrict access to weapons out of their immediate
control. It can be a hassle to do this, but you cannot argue with the
statistics....
Thank Momma for chiming in here. Yes I would say HEMI is most fortunate
that his incident did not end in tragedy and heartbreak.
The stats on hand gun issues is interesting to study. This ruling just happened
a few days ago in CA.
Ninth Circuit Upholds San Francisco’s Safe Storage & Ammunition Laws
Posted on March 25, 2014
Today a three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously upheld the City of San Francisco’s ordinances requiring the safe storage of handguns and banning the sale of hollow-point ammunition. San Francisco’s safe storage law requires handguns to be either stored in a locked container or secured with a trigger lock when they are not carried by the owner of the handgun.
Deaths by accidental discharge is much higher than it ever should be. For
those interested in statistics, look at these links;
Gun Violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
Fact Sheet: Accidental Shootings
http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Accidental-Shootings-NYAGV.pdf
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%)
All gun owners should restrict access to weapons out of their immediate
control. It can be a hassle to do this, but you cannot argue with the
statistics....
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I think I never should have moved away from Georgia. I don't drink, so I see no reason why I should be prohibited from being able to protect myself in an establishment that sells alcohol.
The law should say it's illegal to carry while consuming alcohol, not that it's illegal in places that alcohol is consumed.
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