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Is the Challenger 2023 ending, a major business mistake?

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RyzRT
https://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2024/


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RyzRT
Obviously Ford and Chevrolet are going to take serious advantage of this.
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Dodgeguy
Well the handling of the last year sure was a mistake. In the beginning not many people thought it would go 5 years.
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RyzRT said:
https://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2024/


2024 Chevrolet Camaro Review, Pricing, and Specs


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Camaro is done after 2024, Mustang who knows.
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Well the handling of the last year sure was a mistake. In the beginning not many people thought it would go 5 years.
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Makes me feel kinda sad actually.
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MJS73
It really isn't much of a decision, they don't have much choice. Ford and Chevy have enough of a prsence in the EV market that they can still play in the ponycar business, although with them losing billions of a dollars a year on the EV market and the EV market collapsing, that isn't going to continue very long. So it's either invest and lose billions of dollars a year on the EV market or sepnd hundreds and hundrreds of millions of dollars a year buying carbon credits from Tesla. Almost a given to exit the market.
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I feel it is a mistake. I know the pressure from emissions standards etc have been a huge issue. I’d like to bring up synthetic fuel. Porsche has been investing in synthetic fuel, now Toyota, formula 1 and most recently Stellantis.

I feel this will be our true future mixed with EV’s. I can’t imagine a world with just EV’s. 😳

If the synthetic fuel market continues to grow and the process is implemented with proper production facilities etc I feel we could be seeing more from Dodge on the internal combustion front. For some of us we can only hope.

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Yes it's corporate suicide for their American brands but I don't think the Europeans in charge care. They never did and never will understand that to Americans, cars equal freedom. Generally speaking, their business minds see cars as only another form of basic transportation for the masses and for the wealthy, the pricier makes are just a status symbol. Opposite of Americans, they have a disassociated relationship to cars. We have a multifaceted relationship of hobby, competition and even as a sort of art to display. They are part of our personalities not a regrettable occasional necessity to get from point A to point B until more mass transit comes along. I've had three Mustangs in the past. Looks like I may have more in the future.
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Wm. Internet Rock DJ
GM / Chevy and Ford Motor Co. are going to go out swinging to see who gets the top Pony Car Sales in the last year.
European Owned / Controlled Stellantis could care less because they are doing this last year Half A$$ED. Sites not updated,
Made the Allocation thing a total mess and its pathetic. If Ralph Gilles was still at the helm it would most likely be different.

Face it China bought the Auto Industry to push their Lithium and cleverly disguised it as saving the Environment BS.
They used their Money to invest in Politics around the World and the leaders sold out. I wont dive any deeper on that but its
disgusting and nasty way to shove Global Control. Just like Crypto Crap is going to be rammed and more controlled.

We are fortunate to be able to own some Legacy and a Vehicle that represents the best of Automotive History IMHO.
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In 2005 Chrysler came out with the 300. Then came the Charger, then the Challenger. They’ve updated the engines, interiors, transmissions and sheet metal but it still the same car underneath. They had to do something because they rode that pony for all it’s worth.
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mtglass
Don't forget the Magnum
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they road that pony for all it’s worth.
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Considering there is still great demand for Challenger and Charger I think that pony still had lots of git up and go left. With all the tooling paid for many moons ago it should have been a no brainer to keep the line going. But as we all know, the market no longer controls industry. Prices are through the roof and no rebates so that they can offset the billions that are being lost on the EV boondoggle.
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"a major business mistake?"

If so, you can lay it directly at the feet of government.
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Rollin’ Along
I personally think it’s a mix between self sabotage, increased overregulation/overstepping of government and catering to a bunch of yahoos. I suppose the real issue started when they stopped the, ugh, Dart. If they’d have kept a couple smaller cars on the market to offset the high power/lower mpg machines that are constantly in high demand, they’d probably have bought themselves a few more years worth of Charger/Challenger production, or just throw a finger to the oversteppers and keep making them anyways.

Seeing as thats out of the picture, I’ve had my own idea of a solution. Bring back the Coronet or Polara, make em 2 door or four door options, and on a platform sufficient enough to fit whathaveyou; Hurricane, Hemi, EV for the crybabies. Everyone gets what they want. Well… almost…
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I suppose the real issue started when the stop the, ugh, Dart. If they’d have kept a couple smaller cars on the market to offset the high power/lower mpg machines that are constantly in high demand, they’d probably have bought themselves a few more years worth of Charger/Challenger production, or just throw a finger to the oversteppers and keep making them anyways.
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It looks to me like the free thinkers who were in tune with car enthusiast and were willing to take a chance and produce the Challenger/Charger after they tested the waters with the Magnum, and this was while being under bankruptcy stress and changing owners, are all gone and now there are just a bunch of lemmings and yes men. This is blatantly obvious in the new Hornet. With an endless sea of generic small SUVS out there, what do they come up with to stay in business after the death of their golden geese? The Hornet. That's thinking outside the box right there, lol. Instead of the Hornet they should have named it the We Don't Give a Rip Anymore Turn Off the Lights the Party's Over. But I guess the nameplates would have cost too much.
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Wm. Internet Rock DJ
Sorry had some Photoshop Ideas reading that.
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Last one I could not resist this one...
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MJS73
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Considering there is still great demand for Challenger and Charger I think that pony still had lots of git up and go left. With all the tooling paid for many moons ago it should have been a no brainer to keep the line going. But as we all know, the market no longer controls industry. Prices are through the roof and no rebates so that they can offset the billions that are being lost on the EV boondoggle.
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You've completely overlooked the factors that matter, i.e. emissions standards, rising CAFE averages and the cost of carbon credits. Consumer feelings don't dictate anything. Government desire for change controls everything.
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eng943
Big mistake, and Dodge sales are going to tank.
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Wm. Internet Rock DJ
Regardless the Auto Industries are going to realize that their Ignorance is going to tank them and China is in charge of their wallets now!!!
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