[RyzRT]

RIP Dodge Challenger And Charger: Why The Best-Selling Muscle Cars Are Going Away

 

[MJS73]

You don't need to read the article. There are two reasons: Europe (Stellantis) and the current administration.

 

[mjb4450]

You don't need to read the article. There are two reasons: Europe (Stellantis) and the current administration.

AKA corruption and insanity.

 

[RyzRT]

This actually wasn't about reading the article, the article is just a reinforcement of reality, but is about our feelings as Mopar enthusiasts that 2023 is the last year a brand new Challenger can be bought. IMO it is sad that we are now facing another history time period, the first with different circumstances, that caused the demise of the earlier Mopar HEMI days. We have had a great time period experiencing the rebirth of the Challenger and the Charger and personally I am going to miss seeing the new, HEMI roll outs.

Last night Lynda and I went to a steak house for supper and took her 2021 G/T when we came out of the restaurant it was very special moment, and I should have taken a picture before we left. Nose to nose to our Challenger was an orange 392 Shaker, and when we were getting ready to leave an octane red Challenger pulls up next to it. Three Challengers in a parking lot together that holds maybe 30 cars, it was a really good feeling!

Lynda and I have owned another Challenger and Charger, but the Challenger has the looks, IMO, over the Charger, but they both look and sound great running. The Challenger just stands out in the crowd, enjoy these days everyone. Ry

 

[SKT PK 9 Man]

I was just thinking about this during my Sunday cruise today. It will be the blink of an eye in the scope of things and you will never be able to go look at a new Challenger in the dealer's showroom again. Call me a sentimentalist, but as a new Mopar owner and enthusiast, it just doesn't seem fair. While I am glad I didn't miss the ship entirely, and thank God for being able to get my car when I did, I feel cheated. If only I had a few more years, I am sure I could swing a Hellcat after my Scat is paid off.
But, my wife of 40 years has put her rather large foot down. If I buy a Hellcat now, she's leaving. Maybe I'll miss her.

 

[RyzRT]

@SKT PK 9 Man

I totally agree and understand.

 

[cms1528]

I hate the direction our country is going as a whole, especially in the car industry. Our cars will and are still a hot ticket item to own and to have stolen. As a rule of thumb I never leave my car out of site. I'm not material but I don't want some random mope taking my ride either. The Tide-Pod snackers and window lickers will never understand the value of American muscle.

 

[2010swse]

I am glad to have owned two, both V6 and the 2017 GT is one of the best all around cars I have ever owned. Hopefully if the all electric flops, they will go hybrid. All electric is useless up here, not enough range or charging infrastructure.

 

[JTR18SHAKER]

I don't get it, there is now no model in their line up I would purchase. Outsold the Camaro AND the Mustang, so lets stop building them.

 

[DieselDog]

RIP Dodge Challenger And Charger: Why The Best-Selling Muscle Cars Are Going Away

Sickening and stupid! The enviro-idiots don’t understand that this will NEVER work! For one there’s not enough minerals to make the batteries and not enough electricity generating capacity to charge them!
Maybe that’s not a bug-but a feature!

 

[moparroy]

Frankly for me its no different than how carbs from the 70's became EFI in the 80's (and I am putting EFI on my '74 Cuda so guess what I prefer).
Now ICE is going electric - and honestly I am looking forward to trying electric muscle, although I may be getting too old to actually buy one.
And if you are blaming administration - you can only blame the government admin setting the standards and mandates for emissions in the coming years - just like they did in the 80's and IMO it produced some good things (including the current HEMIs).

 

[JTR18SHAKER]

Sickening and stupid! The enviro-idiots don’t understand that this will NEVER work! For one there’s not enough minerals to make the batteries and not enough electricity generating capacity to charge them!
Maybe that’s not a bug-but a feature!

It's just a fad. Over 500,000 tons of minerals to make one 1,000 pound battery and about 100 barrels of oil are used. Also no one wants to talk about the grid, it simply cannot handle the load. And when you see Diesel Generators powering Tesla chargers that says it all. Anyone knows our future is Hydrogen Fuel, Cells driving electric motors, also an unlimited supply. Just have to solidify distribution and infrastructure. The UK is leading the world in this area. Converting their Buses. Hyundai has now built Hydrogen tankers for world wide distribution. Toyota and Nissan have working Hydrogen fuel cell models and there are filling stations on the West coast. The Toyota model tank fills in 8mins and has a distance of 858kms.

 

[moparroy]

Hydrogen certainly has possibilities - in the end it is still electric. Not sure I am comfortable driving the Hindenburg around just yet. Its not often but you do see stories in the news of propane explosions and that is from supposed professionals. All it takes is a little static charge.

 

[JTR18SHAKER]

Hydrogen certainly has possibilities - in the end it is still electric. Not sure I am comfortable driving the Hindenburg around just yet. Its not often but you do see stories in the news of propane explosions and that is from supposed professionals. All it takes is a little static charge.

Yes Hydrogen Fuel cells powering electric motors, at least you get that torque and nice 0-60 times. And of course the vehicles weigh much less. From what I have seen the fuel cells are made up of at least 3 layers of reinforced fiberglass and up to 3 cells per vehicle. But understand your concern.

 

[DieselDog]

Frankly for me its no different than how carbs from the 70's became EFI in the 80's (and I am putting EFI on my '74 Cuda so guess what I prefer).
Now ICE is going electric - and honestly I am looking forward to trying electric muscle, although I may be getting too old to actually buy one.
And if you are blaming administration - you can only blame the government admin setting the standards and mandates for emissions in the coming years - just like they did in the 80's and IMO it produced some good things (including the current HEMIs).
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But yes it IS different sir! The plan is to limit the mobility of people by either making personal transportation so expensive that only the elite can afford it or limit the availability by limiting the electrical power.
people who like cars and freedom like us had better wake-up and quick before we loose it!
Number 1, I want the freedom of choosing whether or not I want my choices limited and number 2, I’m tired of being lied to about the FAKE crisis of global warming that’s being used to justify this garbage and FORCE us into these worthless vehicles!

 

[DieselDog]

It's just a fad. Over 500,000 tons of minerals to make one 1,000 pound battery and about 100 barrels of oil are used. Also no one wants to talk about the grid, it simply cannot handle the load. And when you see Diesel Generators powering Tesla chargers that says it all. Anyone knows our future is Hydrogen Fuel, Cells driving electric motors, also an unlimited supply. Just have to solidify distribution and infrastructure. The UK is leading the world in this area. Converting their Buses. Hyundai has now built Hydrogen tankers for world wide distribution. Toyota and Nissan have working Hydrogen fuel cell models and there are filling stations on the West coast. The Toyota model tank fills in 8mins and has a distance of 858kms.

My step son has a Toyota hydro car. Yes it takes about 8 to 10 minutes to fill and when full he said the vehicle’s computer says it has 217 miles until it’s empty.
The only reason he leased the car is that it’s subsidized by Toyota and commiefornia so he gets free hydrogen up to $3K worth. After that, hydrogen becomes prohibitively expensive!
No matter what, there’s no such thing as a free lunch and all these radical changes that are being forced on us will in the end severely limit or completely eliminate personal transportation! Read the writing on the wall.

 

[DieselDog]

Frankly for me its no different than how carbs from the 70's became EFI in the 80's (and I am putting EFI on my '74 Cuda so guess what I prefer).
Now ICE is going electric - and honestly I am looking forward to trying electric muscle, although I may be getting too old to actually buy one.
And if you are blaming administration - you can only blame the government admin setting the standards and mandates for emissions in the coming years - just like they did in the 80's and IMO it produced some good things (including the current HEMIs).

I do blame them, elections have consequences!