[stretch0069]

Haven't been around for a year or so. Dodge really torqued me off about the 6spd. Swore I'd never own another Chrysler (i guess FCA now) product ever again. I guess even grumpy old farts like me can mellow with time. Right or wrong, I've gotten used to babying the transmission. :4-dontknow:

Went to test a '15 Mustang GT Premium. Nice. But for the same price, I can get a whole lot more in a Scat Pack. Damn you, Dodge!!!! I test drove a '15 392 and a '14 SRT8 Core. Biggest mistake of my life.



I want one......(392 that is).....:SHOCKED:



So.....I'm looking for advice. When I was active here, there were a LOT of good people willing to help and I hope its still the same.

Option 1: 2015 Mustang - unless I'm missing something, on the surface, this just doesn't perform like a 392. Sitting in the drivers seat is snug. Not too sure about that 6spd they put in it. (Chinese Getrag?????)

Option 2: Dealer has a '14 Core that will take $20k and my R/T. Its an auto though, and using the paddle shifters, the time to shift can be measured on a geological scale. Thinking about offering my car and $15k. :4-dontknow:

Option 3: Put a S/C on my 5.7. I figure this will be $12k. Would/should the suspension and brakes need to be upgraded as well?? Cost?

Option 4: Swap in a 6.4 into my car. Couldn't find a cost. (case of, if you have to ask, you can't afford it?????) But then the question again....would/should the underbits be upgraded??

Option 5: .....and this seems to be where things are pointing......man up, forgive Dodge Customer Care, and order a Scat Pack Shaker. I figure my car and $20k should be close. But what would I be missing from the '14 Core?

I haven't been sleeping well thinking about this since I test drove that '15 392 a couple weekends ago.

DAMN YOU, HORSEPOWER GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RunningWithBeers]

I'd think your best option would be trading in on a scat pack. You could upgrade with an S/C or swapping to a 392 but you'd still be looking at suspension and brake upgrades if you were wanting to get up to the scat packs level of performance. I'm torn cause I'd like to eventually add a super charger to mine but there's the temptation to trade in on a B5 blue scat pack.

As far as comparison to the SRT core my impression is the scat pack offers more for your money than the core SRT from what I've been reading.

Take it easy
Jay

 

[boyohboy]

I'm sure someone is going to answer this way before me. I've read your post over and over again and I just don't know the pricing of the newer Challengers. One thing, I guess, is a core model is like a Z-28(?), all Horse Power and few options. Yet, your car and 20K sounds good for a Shaker since my R/T Classic fully loaded was 38.4K back in the day. Sorry for your dismay over what happened in the past. Maybe this can mean a new beginning. Good Luck in your quest and Enjoy The Journey! Lou.

 

[large]

choices, choices

OK I bought the 2014 core 8 and than added the heated leather seats with the embroided SRT logo on them for 1,400.00 and the moon roof would cost another 1200.00 so for 45,000.00 I have basically an SRT8.About the only thing missing is the heated wheel and the ability to switch the suspension firmness .I absolutely love this car lol just ask my wife and I am an Old Fart to. Good luck either way if its got the 392 with a six speed your a winner.

 

[MommaBetty]

I would go with the Scat Pack Shaker. That would be an amazing car. You won't be sorry. PM Dan(friendsoffur), he just got a scat pack and I think he loves it!

 

[redline14]

I have to laugh, I swore I'd never buy another Chrysler product either but when I saw my
car on the showroom floor I remembered the phrase "never say never" lol.

If I were you I'd go with the Scat Pack, you'll be getting a new warranty too and that sounds like the car you want and I can't blame you.

 

[2010CHALLENGER]

them damn 2015 scat packs are easy to fall in love with... just looked at a sublime R/T scat pack this afternoon... heck of a machine... but i won't be trading up anytime soon myself... still love my PCP...

 

[stretch0069]

Sorry for your dismay over what happened in the past. Maybe this can mean a new beginning.

I have to laugh, I swore I'd never buy another Chrysler product either but when I saw my car on the showroom floor I remembered the phrase "never say never" lol.

Hey....if the Martin & Lewis can make up......and the Eagles could get back together....

Thanks for the input, everyone. yeah......i'm leaning towards the scat pack shaker. its more than i want to spend, but............

 

[wheelerfolk]

Just wait till you put a tune in it from Sean at Hemifever!!!!!!

 

[friendoffur]

Man oh man can I ever relate to where you are right now. I agonized for MONTHS over just this kind of choice with the only difference being that my 2010 RT never had one single problem. 6-speed was problem free...Loved the color...no Hemi Tic...no cracked rocker panels...NOTHING. I knew from day one the HP wasn't what I was looking for but between the 6 years of payments...the warrenty...and all the things I loved about that car....it was just a matter of wait it out and decide whice way to go later...after the warranty and payments. I always really believed that supercharging was the way I'd go.......until that first Scat Pack showed up at the dealership. I had already been feeling out several dealers on price for this car but until I stood in front of one...it was just a what if. It had every option including the new 8-speed auto with MDS which I didn't want and MSRPed out the door over 50K. NOT going to happen!!! But the damage was done. Was finally after 3 months of dealing with 6 dealers able to order a Scat Pack out the door for about 43K but I have to warn you....the wait on the build and delivery was not a pleasant thing...lol The shaker option you are wanting is from what I'm hearing going to add another 4K to whatever the price is for how you otherwise option the car....and you will almost certainly have to order to build like I did if you want to stay under 50K out the door...and that is only if you find a dealer like I did that will do it under MSRP....a tall order for sure for a car that will be in big demand. But I can tell you this....if you can deal with all that....you WON'T be sorry!!! I'm hearing that the order banks will be open by the end of this month so good luck to you. Just so you know...the base price difference between a SRT (there is no more core model in 15) and a Scat Pack is 7k. Both can be optioned for a whole lot more which is why I'm saying if price is important to you...to get what you want at the price you want to pay...you will most likely need to order it that way. Here is a link to the thread where I finally took delivery. Unless you like really long reads....I won't bother you with the link where I ordered it and was waiting...LMAO By the way...I'm GLAD to see you back here!!!
http://www.challengerforumz.com/showthread.php?t=108172

 

[245pacer]

Welcome back I'm another that had some similar decisions to make . I was also set on a shaker car but as friendoffur says you need to take a serious look at the numbers . You could get an SRT cheaper than scat pac shaker . Buying for me from Dodge was NOT a plesent experience mostly because it was such a new model ( which will be the same for you if you go shaker ) . I now have my car and it's better than I could have hoped , an unreal car . Don't pay over sticker price , make them deal or walk I got my fully loaded SRT minus sunroof for 47.800 and was offered one without the Laguna seats for 45.500 . Good luck finding some 392 happiness .

 

[stretch0069]

I guess I should have mentioned that they were only going to give me $17k for mine. Pretty much flawless with 30k miles.

Yeah.....I'm not sure about price of the Shaker. There is a hood available from Dodge with a $1000 pricetag. If the '15 Shaker is going to be $4000, I bet they're adding a bunch more stuff. I'm not a stripe fan or any of that other hoopla. Just want a simple car that goes like stink.

I might just have to wait a bit to see. I can do that. I don't need a new car, but that Shaker on granite looks goooooooooooooood.

 

[cdahl383]

Sounds like you like the new Challengers. If you can afford it, just trade in your old one and order a new Scat Pack. They can be had for around $40K.

However, you could also save some money and just supercharger your current car which I'm assuming is probably close to paid for by now. $6500 for a Magnacharger and then another $1,500 or so for installation and tune. Now you have more power than a brand new 392 for $8K vs forking out another $20K. Even if you had to upgrade additional drivetrain parts such as half shafts you'd still be way under that $20K mark.

It's hard to beat getting a brand new car though, but you also pay for it. Just depends on your budget really and what you're willing to spend.

I'm not a big fan of the newer Mustangs so I'm somewhat biased on that.

Swapping in a 6.4L would probably cost $10K+. You can get factory 6.4L's from Modern Muscle for around $7,500 I believe right now. But you'd need to have yours yanked out and the new one installed, then a new PCM installed, then have it tuned, etc. I would imagine that would run around $10K or more.

Out of all your options above, I would choose either #3 - supercharger or #5 new Scat Pack.

Also, $17K for a nice 2010 Challenger R/T with only 30,000 miles is a rip. It is worth much more than that. You could probably get $20-22K for it selling privately at least. I would think $19K for trade-in at the dealership would be more in line.

 

[friendoffur]

Sounds like you like the new Challengers. If you can afford it, just trade in your old one and order a new Scat Pack. They can be had for around $40K.

However, you could also save some money and just supercharger your current car which I'm assuming is probably close to paid for by now. $6500 for a Magnacharger and then another $1,500 or so for installation and tune. Now you have more power than a brand new 392 for $8K vs forking out another $20K. Even if you had to upgrade additional drivetrain parts such as half shafts you'd still be way under that $20K mark.

It's hard to beat getting a brand new car though, but you also pay for it. Just depends on your budget really and what you're willing to spend.

I'm not a big fan of the newer Mustangs so I'm somewhat biased on that.

Swapping in a 6.4L would probably cost $10K+. You can get factory 6.4L's from Modern Muscle for around $7,500 I believe right now. But you'd need to have yours yanked out and the new one installed, then a new PCM installed, then have it tuned, etc. I would imagine that would run around $10K or more.

Out of all your options above, I would choose either #3 - supercharger or #5 new Scat Pack.

Also, $17K for a nice 2010 Challenger R/T with only 30,000 miles is a rip. It is worth much more than that. You could probably get $20-22K for it selling privately at least. I would think $19K for trade-in at the dealership would be more in line.

I agree with ya on the #3 or #5 options Carl. I also agree with the 19K trade-in at the dealer. That is what I got with 18K miles on mine and that was still too low IMO. Where it is true you will get more in a private sale there is a hidden cost to that. A trade -in comes off the price of the new car and you only pay tax on the balance where in a private sale you pay...in my case 8.25%...on the whole price of the new car...not to mention the hassels often involved in selling privately. That means tax wise about a 2 grand swing.

 

[stretch0069]

Where it is true you will get more in a private sale there is a hidden cost to that. A trade -in comes off the price of the new car and you only pay tax on the balance where in a private sale you pay...in my case 8.25%...on the whole price of the new car...not to mention the hassels often involved in selling privately. That means tax wise about a 2 grand swing.

:SHOCKED: i didn't even think of that.

Not sure how good/accurate NADA is, but it says $24k trade-in.

Yes......I thought heavily about just throwing a S/C on mine, but.......and you will laugh, but you'll understand..... .......I thought why not start with a bigger engine with more HP and supercharge THAT. :str:

oh cripes.......i've fallen back into the vicious circle...

 

[friendoffur]

:SHOCKED: i didn't even think of that.

Not sure how good/accurate NADA is, but it says $24k trade-in.

Yes......I thought heavily about just throwing a S/C on mine, but.......and you will laugh, but you'll understand..... .......I thought why not start with a bigger engine with more HP and supercharge THAT. :str:

oh cripes.......i've fallen back into the vicious circle...

LMAO!!!....I would NEVER admit on an open forum where my wife might see it if that was just my thought about it too!! Personally...on your trade in...don't take less than 20K...be firm...walk away if you must...but they can/should give you at least that much IMO.

 

[TikiMan]

I'll make it easy for you. Here is the link. Just click the make offer button and put in 37k. Sell your current one as a private seller and get more money in return. Your trade and 20k, you will take a huge beating.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Chall...b0c624823&item=391049791523&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

 

[friendoffur]

I'll make it easy for you. Here is the link. Just click the make offer button and put in 37k. Sell your current one as a private seller and get more money in return. Your trade and 20k, you will take a huge beating.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Chall...b0c624823&item=391049791523&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

That link is no longer going to help but I agree. A private sale should get him around 25K...it's just alot of extra hassel. I also stand by my statement that the 17K offer is flat out ridiculous. If they get to 20K....that is really like 22K with the tax break...so a private sale at 25K would be a net gain of 3K. No doubt that is a good chunk of money but if this is the only car he has to use and he doesn't want to deal with listing the car and taking who knows how many phone calls over who knows how long a time....then showing it who knows how many times....and then making sure the funds transfer...and the title gets changed over and so on....it gets tempting to just trade in. But you're right...it will cost him more than doing the private sale.

 

[RichR]

...Option 3: Put a S/C on my 5.7. I figure this will be $12k. Would/should the suspension and brakes need to be upgraded as well?? Cost?...

FYI, you can put a S/C on for a LOT less than $12K. I'd think it's more like $8K, or $6500 if you do it yourself (see this thread: http://www.challengerforumz.com/showthread.php?t=108084).

ATI Procharger should be releasing a 100% complete DIY kit for your '11 R/T very soon, if not already (they used mine for development).

 

[cdahl383]

Correct. S/C is $8K tops.

Good point Dan about the tax savings between trade-in vs private sale.

Also agree that $20k would be a good trade-in value. $19k would be somewhat acceptable, but not optimal. $17k is them just attempting to steal it from you.